Paul Ryan to Campaign in Florida Saturday
The Wisconsin congressman will make his first Florida stop since Mitt Romney tapped him to share the GOP ticket in his presidential bid.
Paul Ryan will bring the Republican presidential campaign to Florida on Saturday, when he visits the Villages retirement community, northwest of Orlando, and then a private country club on Treasure Island.
The Wisconsin Congressman will target Florida's robust retirement population, when he visits the Villages, an age-restricted gated community of 8,000 where the residents drive golf carts and there is a high proportion of GOP voters.
Ryan also will make a fundraising stop at the exclusive, members-only Club at Treasure Island, at 400 Treasure Island Causeway.
The visit is the first by Ryan since presidential hopeful Mitt Romney announced the Congressman as his running mate.
Although public access will be limited at both events, the Florida Consumer Action Network is planning a protest outside the Club at Treasure Island private fundraiser at 4 p.m. Saturday.
According to an Action Network news release, protesters "will stand up to Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney’s plan to end Medicare as we know it to pay for tax cuts for the rich.
"Ryan’s budget would give millionaires an average tax cut of $300,000 a piece, while ending Medicare as we know it by turning it to a voucher system for future Medicare recipients," the news release added.
"Mitt Romney has endorsed Paul Ryan’s budget and said he would sign it into law if he were president."
Doors open for Ryan's event at the Villages at 7:30 a.m., with the program slated to begin at 9 a.m.
bert hastings
7:58 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
would not walk across the street to see him or any other politican
Gary Carnal
7:58 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
Barf
Gary Carnal
7:58 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
So how is this an alert. This guy is here to pick up money from millionaires
calvin mortz
7:58 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
Three cheers for the Florida Consumer Action Network for standing up against this Radical Right Insurgent.Of course Ryan is campaigning at the Villages, a retirement community for the wealthy. No offense toward the good people of the Village but I'll go out on a limb here & suggest that Ryans plan to gut Medicare as we know it will have little or no effect on these wealthy individuals. And wealthy is what one would need to be to cover the out of pocket costs that Ryans voucher plan will result in.
Newt Gingrich a radical right winger himself called the Ryan budget: "Right wing social engineering." Those are harsh words from a man whose policies are to the right of G. W. Bush and words I will agree with.
The "trickle down effect" has proven to be an abysmal failure. More tax cuts for the wealthy will only result in one thing, wealthier wealthy, period. Gutting every social safety net program for the countries poor & struggling middle class while giving these further tax cuts to those that do not need them is Anti-American governing. Mr. Ryan would reject & repeal everything created by F.D.R. on forward. This is not only a blow to the average American citizen, it is also a slap in the face to the mans supposed Christian beliefs. How convenient to deny the teachings of Jesus Christ the defender & advocate of the poor. Faux-Christianity at its most disgusting.
tom maddalena
8:00 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
this is a great "news report"... 40% news about paul ryan, 20% commentary about 'rich' old people driving golf carts with inuendo about a private yacht club and those nasty old 'luxury' services. and finally 40 % advertising the consumer action committee and their agenda... i guess that's as close as you will get to actual reporting.
Len Roessler
9:07 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
and no mention of the fact that his mother is coming with him to vouch for the fact that that her boy would never do anything to hurt medicare.
Charles Alaimo
11:08 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
"We report, you decide." No spin here!
Red
9:07 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
Seems like Ryans entry into the race won't side track the tax questions Mittens is scaired to answer. Some say Mittens paid no taxes, others suggest a more serious reason:Maybe Mittens received amnesty from the IRS given to the hiders of money in foreign banks. Remember, a pardon does not spell innocence. Ryan's radical views are transparent to the electorate has no consistent story on his views of women's rights, trade, social security and medicare. other than to throw Grandpa and Grandma under the bus. This guy is not for us.
rick barasso
10:11 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
Lock up your pooches.
Cisco
11:08 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
Get the grill ready for when Obama shows up.
Michael D.
9:33 am on Friday, August 17, 2012
It's a candidate who is running for Vice President. I would go see him just like I am going to see Romney speak. To truly be an informed voter you have to know the candidates and the facts. Not just stories from opinionated "news" sources. I welcome Mr. Ryan to the state of Florida.
Lynda
10:18 am on Friday, August 17, 2012
Public access is limited to Mr. Ryan, Michael D. You will probably have to pony up some bucks to see him or Mr. Romney. I agree it is great to be able to decide for oneself by seeing the candidates but I object when opportunities cost money or are only for the selected few friendly audiences.
Michael D.
10:31 am on Friday, August 17, 2012
He will be hear in a public forum soon enough, and I would encourage all voters to see all candidates not just the two major ones. I understand some are going to e fundraisers, which is going to be a particular message for a particular audience. Like a football coach traveling to alumni dinners, I see no issue with that.
Chuck Fortin
11:28 am on Friday, August 17, 2012
Chuck Fortin (Part 1)
The challenge for voters is to penetrate deeper than politicians’ distortion of facts, toothy smiles, sugary demeanor, and mindless platitudes and false promises. This portrayal contrived by politicians can be a false front glossing over their grounded convictions. Take Paul Ryan for instance.
Mr. Ryan is a fervent disciple of Ayn (“ain”) Rand and has gifted his staff with her publications at Christmas time. In 1964, Ayn Rand published a little book entitled “The Virtue of Selfishness – A New Concept of Egoism.” She argues that altruism (being concerned with the welfare of others and stepping in to lend a hand if you can) perpetrates “moral corruption…moral cannabilism.” She views the altruistic person (most of us) as “sacrificial animals and profiteers-on-sacrifice, as victims and parasites.” She asserts that a person can be considered moral only if she/he is “concerned with his own interests …the essence of moral existence and that man must be the beneficiary of his own actions.” Ayn Rand further argues that “The attack on ‘selfishness’ is an attack on man’s self-esteem; to surrender one, is to surrender the other.”
Chuck Fortin
11:28 am on Friday, August 17, 2012
Chuck Fortin (Part 2)
Bottom line: Paul Ryan adheres to the beliefs of Ayn Rand who defends that one cannot be a moral person without being selfish, acting only in one’s own interest. This is not the same as “charity begins at home.” She claims that it is actually immoral to be altruistic – a virtue for losers. Paul Ryan’s convictions firmly-rooted in the bizarre and ego-centric thinking of his guru, Ayn Rand, go a long way to explain his past behavior and what he intends to do if he has a chance to implement his heartless policies. Paul Rand, Ayn Ryan?
tom maddalena
1:02 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
ayn rand, philosophically, is an objectivist. what she does is portray reality as to it's succinct sources which are the senses. the 'selfishness' reference is the 'self'.. there is nothing inherently wrong with original thought and/ or personal achievement.
Chuck Fortin
3:02 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Chuck Fortin (Part 3)
According to “Objectivist Ethics,” your highest moral purpose is the achievement of your own happiness. Your money is yours. Use it to save your wife (if you choose) – that is your moral right and your rational (not sensory), moral choice. So far, so good. The atheist Ayn Rand didn’t give a hoot about the senses. She advocates acting on one’s own “rational self-interest” and one’s own hierarchy of values. This, she asserts, requires that one possess a defined hierarchy of “rational” values (consciously chosen and validated by a rational standard). No flighty impressions from the senses here.
Okay, so what are these criteria (decision rules) for moral decisions and for action. This is what is most disturbing and cruel about her thinking and the legacy she passes along to many conservatives, some of whom are Republicans. According to harsh Objectivist beliefs, altruism gauges a man’s virtue by the degree to which he surrenders, renounces, or betrays his own personal values because, by appearing more virtuous and less selfish, he is showing that the person saved is worth more than the altruist. This shows that the altruist lacks self-esteem. He lacks respect for others because he regards other people as doomed incompetents.
Chuck Fortin
3:02 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Chuck Fortin (Part 4)
Ayn Rand argues that one should have the highest regard for one’s own rational self-interest. That’s the standard. It is morally wrong to “save” someone who is worse off than you, one who does not enjoy the same status, intellectual gifts, oh, and did I mention money? Whomever she considers less worthy (than herself) according to her established values, it is morally wrong to sacrifice yourself to help that person. So what is the motivation for aiding another – a wife, for instance. Okay, that’s fine because you likely consider her at an appropriately elevated value level. Here’s the kicker: in an emergency you save her not for any altruistic feelings. Rationally, YOU SAVE HER BECAUSE, TO YOU, HER LOSS WOULD RESULT IN FEELINGS OF PAIN AND ABANDONMENT. You save her FOR YOU, NOT FOR HER. That’s the rational justification.
Chuck Fortin
3:02 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Chuck Fortin (Part 5)
Bottom line. For those, such as Paul Ryan, who adhere to Ayn Rand’s thinking and principles for action (or inaction), there is no altruism. Anyone below them in the rational value scale (middle class, elderly, infirmed, malnourished kids, and the poor) is not worth saving. For Rand’s disciples, that would be an uneven, unfair trade off, even immoral action, and certainly a sign of a lack of self-esteem (and we can’t have THAT at the county club). This conviction sheds some light on why Ryan’s disregard for society’s underlings is so comforting to those who support him. No one is more worth saving than yourself. A far cry from those familiar words: “Ask not what your country can do for you ……..”
Michael D.
3:02 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Chuck, that doesn't change my statement that all voters should hear all candidates running for the office. Not just the two major candidates. I do not understand what about this makes you feel the need to piece on Paul Ryan. I do not personally have an opinion on the man yet. Also do not believe either of the two major parties has my best interest in their plans. Both major parties are ego-centric and looking for their buck over my liberty.
Chuck Fortin
4:45 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Chuck Fortin
Michael, thanks for your comments. I agree that a voter should learn as much as she/he can about a candidate. All I'm suggesting is that there is very little to learn by merely hearing a smiling, affable guy, avoiding and/or distorting facts, telling an audience all that he thinks they want to hear while, at the same time, hiding his own authentic agenda and his raw and rooted philosophical convictions (because they are really, really scary to normal folks like us). We can learn more by actions, behaviors, initiatives (he does have an extensive congressional record) that far outweigh a brief, glancing brush with the celebrity of the week. Any devotee of Ayn Rand certainly does not have my interests in mind, nor cares. I have an open mind but I already DO know enough about Paul Ryan and what I see isn't pretty for the country.
Red
7:41 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
I understand P Ryan begged for and got a truck load of BAD, BAD stimulus money. Hey Paul, 21 million here. .. ... 21million there, pretty soon your talk'in real money.
Dad of Three
7:41 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
For Mr Fortin and others, who are understandably concerned about the Ayn Rand effect, you may be interested in the following sources that approach from a Christian perspective:
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/13/nation/la-na-ryan-catholic-20120813
http://franciscanaction.org/news/exec/Franciscans%20Call%20for%20Gov.%20Romney%20to%20Speak%20with%20Greater%20Dignity%20for%20the%20Poor
http://www.catholics-united.org/content/media-advisory-catholics-protest-paul-ryan-georgetown-university
http://www.catholics-united.org
Cisco
8:25 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
What about the Karl Marx effect?
Chuck Fortin
9:22 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Chuck Fortin
Dear Dad, hear, hear! One's own philosophy, one's firmly held beliefs cannot but benefit (or contaminate) everything a person does in life. One's personal philosophy surfaces, even unconsciously (a nod to Freud) and spill outs, and takes its toll on everyone in the way. Ayn Rand was an atheist. Paul Ryan is a professed Catholic. Question is: how can a professed Christian adhere to a set of beliefs that undercuts the well-being of the less fortunate?
Faun Weaver
9:40 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Chuck Fortin - thoroughly enjoyed, and learned from, your comments.
Chuck Fortin
11:49 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Chuck Fortin
Dear Faun,
Thank you for your kind words. I meant them to be instructive. I teach some Philosophy at the local community college and sometimes I get on a "high-horse" (no, I'm not under the influence) about issues and people that matter to me. I apologize if I have been offensive and off-putting. But truth must be told.
"Rand died of heart failure on March 6, 1982, at her home in New York City,[87] and was interred in the Kensico Cemetery, Valhalla, New York.[88] Rand's funeral was attended by some of her prominent followers, including Alan Greenspan. A six-foot floral arrangement in the shape of a dollar sign was placed near her casket." (Wikipedia)
Now, there's a final statement for you!
Chuck Fortin
12:29 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
ALERT - JUST IN!
For those of you who may want to pursue this line of thinking a bit further, Monday (August 20) on the Diane Rehm show (National Public Radio), there will be a discussion of "Ayn Rand and The 2012 Presidential Campaign."
Joseph Robert
8:07 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Why does Paul Ryan lie so much?
According to a recent analysis by Politifact, a nonpartisan watchdog and Pulitzer Prize winner, Ryan rarely gives true information in his public comments. Politifact reviewed 14 statements that Ryan has publicly made over recent months and found that of those statements:
Four were “mostly false.”
Four were “half true.”
Two were “pants on fire” (equal to incredibly false)
Two were “true.”
Two were “mostly true”
In total, that means 10 statements were inaccurate, and 4 were true or mostly true. In other words, he was accurate 28 percent of the time.
Learn more about Politifact’s review of Ryan’s statements at:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/aug/11/fact-checking-paul-ryan/
Goin' Commando
11:13 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
And for the latest absurdity:
"Paul Ryan Got Federal Funds To Help With Bush-Era GM Plant Closure He Blames On Obama
Posted: 08/17/2012 7:11 pm Updated: 08/17/2012 8:06 pm
GOP vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan took a swipe at President Barack Obama on Thursday for failing to rescue a General Motors factory in his Wisconsin congressional district, calling it "one more broken promise" on the Democratic administration's record.
"I remember President Obama visiting it when he was first running, saying he'll keep that plant open," Ryan said during a campaign stop. "One of the reasons that plant got shut down was $4 gasoline. You see, this costs jobs. The president's terrible energy policies are costing us jobs."
The attack has already received a fair amount of ridicule because the Janesville, Wis., plant actually closed during the last year of George W. Bush's presidency. What hasn't really been emphasized is whether Ryan clearly knew this and made the charge nonetheless."
For more:
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/paul-ryan-slams-obama-for-not-saving-auto-plant----in-2008.php
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/paul-ryan-gm-federal-funds_n_1799515.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
Chuck Fortin
12:42 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
More Paul Rand and Ayn Ryan
News from Sunday's New York Times - August 19
Conference of Catholic Bishops' letter to Congress:
"A just spending bill cannot rely on disproportionate cuts in essential services to poor and vulnerable persons."
Jesuits' letter to Paul Ryan:
"Your budget appears to reflect the values of your favorite philosopher, Ayn Rand, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ."
Nuns-on-the-Bus and Sister Simone Campbell:
"...we need to have each others' backs. Only wealthy people can ever begin to pretend that they can live in a gated community all by themselves."
Ryan's former parish priest in Janesville, Father Stephen Umhoefer:
"You can't tell somebody that in 10 years your economic situation is going to be just wonderful because meanwhile your kids may starve to death."
As Maureen Down (NYT) writes:
"Beyond the even-keeled Ryan mien lurks full-tilt virulence. A moderate demeanor is not a sign of a moderate view of the world."
Also in another vein, if you are concerned and/or confused about competing Medicare proposals, the NYT Sunday editorial clearly breaks down the differences and advantages of each. Privatization vouchers have, again, reared their ugly heads.
The Beav
2:05 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Thank you darling wonder Mitt! Thanks for blessing us with inspiration of inherited wealth. Thank you for teaching us nobody should pay more tax just because they hide money, tax-free, in the Caymans & Bermuda & Switzerland & Andorra. Thanks for having fools pay their taxes, while you live in luxury. Thanks for building an elevator for your cars & limos in one of your 7 palaces, which also gives us inspiration to be like you: accomplished & not being afraid to demonstrate loyalty to yr fellow accomplished friends with the promise to further lower their taxes. And also thank the Ryan budget author for promising to reduce yr tax rate to 1%. After all 13% tax rate sure beats the 37% rate those on salaries must pay. It'ss inspiring for all of us not yet rich as you; not rich like yr daddy, not rich as yr wife or boys. Thank you for choosing a running mate who is also a millionaire from the inheritance from his great-grandfather, the road builder, whose company was passed down to his son & then his son, Paul's Daddy afforded Mr. Ryan a life in Wash.DC & inspiration to lower taxes on his multimillionaire mom & dad & all those whom God has blessed. You go Mitt! Why should Americans wait for the government to give a measly retirement to those who paid for it, when you show how to take care of yourself? Why give people Obamacare just because people without $ get sick? If God wants them sick, why go against God's will? O Mitt, how inspiring you are! Pay no attention to envy!
Chuck Fortin
5:20 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
This discussion has been a very useful and lucrative forum (especially for DunedinPatch advertisers) for informing and helping voters to sharpen their opinions about the candidates in play. So far, however, this exchange of ideas has been a bit one-sided, asymmetrical if you will. I'm sure we could all profit from alternative points of view from those not so sympathetic with some of the views expressed here. I warmly and respectfully welcome opposing voices to place additional facts, interpretations, and persuasive arguments (in the philosophical sense of the word) on the table for all of us to take them into consideration. Thank you.
Queenie
8:09 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Oh pleeeeze! Ryan and his "sharp pencil" will no doubt help stop the ridiculous spending that's been going on. Wake up people...we'll be like Greece if Obama continues. Furthermore, I had hoped the races would meld with his candidacy, but there's been more racist comments against whites since he took office. Obama and his people have done nothing but create a class war agenda.